Video and podcast roundups

15 Useful Private Aviation Videos and Podcast Episodes for US Charter Buyers, Family Offices and CFOs

Which private aviation videos and podcasts are worth a buyer’s time?

Start with the AIN first-charter interview, the FAA’s charter workshop and Ironbird’s pricing discussion. Add the deposit-risk and fractional-access episodes before committing to a programme. Our selection prioritises material that helps an executive assistant, procurement lead or family office ask better questions—not aircraft tours or luxury-travel entertainment.

Prepared for: Daniel Gibbs’s Corporate Travel and Private Aviation Research desk
Research cut-off: 16 October 2026
Scope: US private aviation procurement, with specialist material on ownership, aircraft management and operational disruption.

The roundup contains 15 individual videos or episodes, including both parts of NBAA’s performance-metrics discussion. Ten carry publication dates within the preceding 12 months; older selections are explicitly identified as foundational material rather than current market updates.

How was this list researched, and what was verified?

We checked publisher episode pages, YouTube listings, published show notes and available transcripts. This is a source-based editorial review, not a claim that every recording was watched or listened to in full. Each entry identifies the evidence used; timestamps appear only where they were present in the published material.

Selection favoured four things:

• A real purchasing decision: charter quote comparison, aircraft suitability, operator diligence, programme renewal or management review.
• An identifiable speaker: including their commercial perspective where relevant.
• A practical next action: a document to request, a question to ask or a comparison to prepare.
• An accessible source: a direct video, episode page or publisher page containing the recording.

Dates are publication dates, not necessarily recording dates. Runtime is included only where verified. Public pages were accessible during research, but uninterrupted playback and regional platform access were not independently tested.

Important archive distinction: NBAA states that its Flight Plan podcast ended in 2025. Its older episodes remain available, but should not be presented as an actively publishing 2026 show. NBAA archive. (nbaa.org)

What should you watch or listen to for your immediate decision?

The following pathways are the desk’s editorial recommendations. Entry numbers refer to the detailed reviews below.

Which recordings best introduce charter buying and pricing?

1. What should a first-time charter buyer watch?

Title: Flying Privately: Chartering a Private Jet for the First Time – BJT
Who: Business Jet Traveler’s Jennifer English interviews Jim Segrave, identified in the recording’s description as flyExclusive’s chairman and CEO.
Format and date: YouTube video; 13 January 2026.
Evidence reviewed: Official YouTube description and AIN’s accompanying publication page.

Why it earns a place: This is the most directly targeted introductory video in the selection. The interview addresses what new charter customers should consider and introduces the distinction between Part 91 and Part 135 operations. Publisher page. (youtube.com)

Buyer application: Before requesting prices, write down the route, passengers, baggage, arrival deadline, acceptable stops and likely repeat usage. Use the interview as an introduction to the supplier conversation, then use the FAA resource below for regulatory orientation.

Perspective and limitation: This is an industry-publication interview with an operator executive, not an independent comparison of providers. The accessible description does not support treating it as a complete charter safety checklist or contractual guide.

2. Which video explains why operating authority matters?

Title: LIVE: FAA Safe Air Charter Workshop
Who: Federal Aviation Administration and industry experts.
Format and date: YouTube workshop; 5 November 2020. Foundational archive.
Evidence reviewed: Official video description and the FAA’s accompanying workshop article.

Key takeaways: The workshop addresses how to hire and operate air-taxi and ride-sharing services within the applicable rules. The FAA’s companion article describes coverage of operating requirements, reimbursement, leasing and illegal-charter concerns. FAA workshop background. (youtube.com)

Buyer application: Ask who exercises operational control, which entity operates the aircraft and what evidence supports its authority. Escalate arrangements that unexpectedly make the passenger responsible for operating the flight.

Currency check: Pair this older recording with the FAA’s current Safe Air Charter page, which flags uncertainty about operator authorisation, operational control and coaching passengers on what to tell inspectors. NATA reported an updated operator-list resource on 5 May 2026. NATA update. (faa.gov)

Limitation: This is regulatory education, not a legal determination about a particular proposed flight or lease.

3. Which podcast best frames jet card versus charter cost?

Title: The Truth About Private Jet Pricing
Who: Daniel Harris interviews Doug Gollan, founder of Private Jet Card Comparisons.
Format and date: Ironbird Podcast; 28 April 2025; 52 minutes. Older but directly relevant.
Evidence reviewed: Publisher show notes and the podcast listing.

Key takeaways: The discussion compares charter, jet cards and fractional access, examines contractual pitfalls and explains operator and broker pricing considerations. It also addresses mistakes made when buying flight hours and offers that warrant closer scrutiny. Episode notes. (flyironbird.com)

Buyer application: Use it to structure a private jet charter quote comparison: aircraft assumptions, known total expenditure, unpriced charges, cancellation, substitution and recovery. Request written clarification rather than assuming that similarly priced proposals promise the same service.

Perspective and limitation: Ironbird discloses that it is an air charter broker, and the episode promotes Gollan’s comparison service. Treat the discussion as a buying framework—not a current price sheet or provider ranking.

Which episodes should precede a jet card deposit or fractional commitment?

4. What should a family office hear before wiring prepaid funds?

Title: The $500k Loan Disguised as a Deposit | Episode 58
Who: Jason Zilberbrand, identified as VREF’s president.
Format and date: Video podcast with an embedded YouTube recording; 24 September 2026; approximately 38 minutes.
Evidence reviewed: Detailed publisher notes and podcast metadata.

Key takeaways: Zilberbrand argues that buyers should analyse prepaid balances as counterparty exposure, not assume that the word “deposit” means protected funds. He distinguishes escrow, segregated accounts and operating cash, and asks buyers to examine the contracting entity, withdrawal controls, refund terms and actual flight operator. Publisher analysis.

Buyer application: Send finance a separate funds-protection questionnaire before approving the transfer. Ask for evidence of account arrangements and counsel’s assessment of the agreement.

Perspective and limitation: The “loan” description is the speaker’s analytical analogy, not a universal legal classification. His preference for buying directly from operators is a viewpoint—not proof that every direct-operator arrangement offers better protection.

5. Which episode helps distinguish fractional access from a jet card?

Title: Own The Jet, Episode 22: “Before you write that big check for the share…” — John Owen
Who: John Owen, introduced as Airshare’s CEO, on Aspen Aero Group’s Own The Jet.
Format and date: Podcast; 10 April 2026; 30 minutes.
Evidence reviewed: Publisher-supplied description and episode metadata.

Key takeaways: Owen discusses fractional ownership, jet cards and aircraft management, emphasising the danger of commitments that do not match actual flying requirements. The episode also explains Airshare’s approach to offering several access and ownership services. Episode.

Buyer application: Bring a year of actual trips—not simply an estimated annual-hours number—to the programme conversation. Ask each shortlisted provider to explain how its agreement handles those missions, peak dates and plausible changes in usage.

Perspective and limitation: This is a provider’s explanation of programme fit. It is useful preparation for negotiations, but does not establish that Airshare or fractional ownership is the best option for the listener. Request current agreements and a separate exit-cost analysis.

Which episodes improve operator diligence and supplier comparison?

6. How should procurement interpret charter performance statistics?

Title: Using Standardized Performance Metrics to Enhance the Charter Industry, Part 1
Who: NBAA host Rob Finfrock with Doug Gollan, ARGUS International’s Travis Kuhn and Volato’s Matthew Liotta; affiliations are those stated for the episode.
Format and date: Podcast; 13 May 2024. Foundational archive.
Evidence reviewed: Official NBAA show notes.

Key takeaways: The discussion examines performance indicators published by charter operators, fractional companies and jet card providers. Its central analytical point is to understand what a dataset measures before using it to choose a supplier. Episode notes. (nbaa.org)

Buyer application: For every performance claim, request the definition, measurement period, denominator, exclusions and treatment of cancellations or replacement aircraft. Add a column for “not supplied” rather than converting missing information into a poor-performance score.

Perspective and limitation: NBAA is an industry association and the panel includes commercial participants. The episode supports better questions about evidence; it does not provide an independently verified, current operator league table.

7. Why listen to the second performance-metrics episode?

Title: Using Standardized Performance Metrics to Enhance the Charter Industry, Part 2
Who: Rob Finfrock continues the discussion with Doug Gollan, Travis Kuhn and Matthew Liotta.
Format and date: Podcast; 20 May 2024. Foundational archive.
Evidence reviewed: Official NBAA show notes.

Key takeaways: The second instalment moves from selecting metrics to the value of publishing them. The panel argues that greater visibility can help customers make more informed decisions and improve transparency across the charter market. Episode notes. (nbaa.org)

Buyer application: Turn the two episodes into a supplier-review agenda. Ask for comparable evidence on service delivery and disruption handling, then document which claims are independently supported, supplier-reported or still unanswered.

Perspective and limitation: This is the same panel and editorial context as Part 1, not an independent second source validating its claims. Keep current contractual obligations separate from historical service statistics.

8. Which episode addresses insurance gaps around private flying?

Title: Samantha Money on The Hidden Liability Gap in Private Aviation
Who: Aviation insurance specialist Samantha Money on the Private Risk Management Association’s Risk Ready, hosted by Bryant Kolle.
Format and date: Podcast; 16 July 2026; 27 minutes 54 seconds.
Evidence reviewed: Official episode notes and participant listing.

Key takeaways: The conversation examines assumptions about personal umbrella cover and aviation exposures, including charter, fractional arrangements, ownership and international travel. It encourages involving aviation insurance specialists early and considering aviation within the family’s wider risk programme. Episode notes. (buzzsprout.com)

Buyer application: Ask the insurance adviser to review the actual travel arrangement, relevant entities and contractual indemnities—not simply confirm that somebody has an insurance certificate.

Perspective and limitation: This is specialist educational material. It cannot determine whether a particular policy covers a particular loss; that requires the policy wording and professional review.

What should fixed-deadline travellers understand about empty legs and disruption?

9. Which episode gives useful context on empty-leg economics?

Title: The REAL Cost of Private Aviation | A Peek Behind The Curtain
Who: The Aerpod’s Mitch Banks interviews Preston Holland, whose disclosed interests include aircraft finance and FastJets.
Format and date: Podcast; 22 April 2026; 1 hour 32 minutes 24 seconds.
Evidence reviewed: Publisher notes and transcript; host identification.

Key takeaways: The conversation covers ownership economics, fractional access and charter, then explains how repositioning creates empty legs and why matching them to customers is difficult. It also challenges simplistic evaluations based only on a traveller’s assumed hourly value. Episode and transcript.

Useful starting point: The empty-leg discussion begins at approximately 1:05:32 in the published transcript.

Buyer application: Separate “an attractive opportunity if available” from “transport required to meet an immovable deadline”. Ask what happens if the offered leg disappears and price the fallback before relying on it.

Perspective and limitation: Holland discusses a business in which he has an interest. The episode’s examples are not live quotes, guaranteed discounts or evidence that an empty-leg platform can meet a particular itinerary.

10. Which episode explains what happens when the aircraft breaks?

Title: Who To Call When Your Airplane Breaks
Who: Dan Harris interviews Sam Wolfe of Alpha Maintenance.
Format and date: Ironbird video podcast; 21 April 2026.
Evidence reviewed: Detailed publisher notes; page includes a YouTube recording.

Key takeaways: Wolfe explains how apparently small maintenance issues can produce substantial delays and affect subsequent flights. The discussion covers aircraft-on-ground response, maintenance control, mobile support and communication failures during disruption. Episode notes.

Buyer application: Ask the supplier to identify the person responsible for updates, the point at which substitute lift will be pursued and who authorises additional expenditure. For a performance, fixture or board meeting, specify the latest useful arrival—not merely the preferred departure.

Perspective and limitation: The guest is a maintenance provider, and the episode lists Charter Flight Support among its sponsors. Operational response capability is not the same as a contractual promise to fund replacement transport. Obtain that promise, its exclusions and any limits separately.

11. What should an executive office hear before winter travel?

Title: Essential Tips for Safe Winter Operations
Who: Rob Finfrock with Michael Fawaz of Willow Run Airport and Dean Snell of NBAA Air Traffic Services.
Format and date: Podcast; 27 January 2025. Seasonal archive.
Evidence reviewed: Official NBAA show notes.

Key takeaways: The episode explains that winter disruption can affect operations even when storms are far from the planned route. It discusses airport preparation, air-traffic constraints, delay information and alternative plans. Episode notes. (nbaa.org)

Buyer application: Build a winter itinerary with explicit questions about alternate airports, ground transfers, de-icing charges, communication and rescheduling. Ask the operator when it expects to reassess the mission.

Perspective and limitation: This is an operational-planning discussion, not a current weather forecast or permission to fly. Procurement staff should use it to improve contingency questions, not attempt to override operational decisions.

Which episodes help with aircraft fit, corporate approval and management costs?

12. What should you hear before choosing an aircraft model?

Title: Own The Jet, Episode 20: “The airplane should work for you—not the other way around.” — Jason Spoor
Who: Jason Spoor, introduced as Aspen Aero Group’s president.
Format and date: Podcast; 13 March 2026; 22 minutes.
Evidence reviewed: Publisher description and episode metadata.

Key takeaways: Spoor uses a construction-company travel example to explain how passenger numbers, frequency, range and operating costs guide aircraft selection. The discussion starts with intended use rather than a preferred aircraft brand. Episode.

Buyer application: Prepare a mission-to-aircraft fit brief covering the normal trip and the difficult exceptions. For a charter request such as “eight passengers with luggage”, require confirmation of the proposed aircraft’s actual seating and baggage arrangement.

Perspective and limitation: The episode is ownership-oriented and supplier-produced. It provides a useful selection process, but does not establish aircraft-specific payload, airport performance or non-stop feasibility for a live mission.

13. Which episode can help a CFO ask “why private?”

Title: Private Aviation as a Strategic Business Tool with Dave Coleman
Who: Marilyn Jenkins interviews Dave Coleman of Coleman Jet Solutions.
Format and date: Leadership In Law podcast; 3 August 2026; 31 minutes 13 seconds.
Evidence reviewed: Publisher notes, chapters and transcript.

Key takeaways: Coleman discusses trial travel, access to less-connected destinations, aircraft–mission fit and charter-versus-ownership decisions. The conversation includes feasibility studies and mistakes made by first-time buyers. Episode and transcript.

Useful chapters: 10:33 for charter versus ownership; 22:43 for buyer mistakes; 26:49 for initial fit evaluation.

Buyer application: Draft a private-versus-commercial approval memo using actual schedules and dated costs. Keep cash expenditure, time differences and any assumed productivity value in separate fields.

Perspective and limitation: The guest sells aviation expertise and transactions, and the show targets law firms. Use its examples to formulate questions—not as proof of savings or as a substitute for transaction-specific tax advice.

14. Which episode is useful for reviewing aircraft management costs?

Title: Own The Jet, Episode 21: “You performance manage everything except the airplane.” — Ryan DeMoor
Who: Ryan DeMoor of MySky, on Aspen Aero Group’s podcast.
Format and date: Podcast; 27 March 2026; 33 minutes.
Evidence reviewed: Publisher-supplied notes and episode metadata.

Key takeaways: DeMoor discusses the visibility of aircraft operating costs, management structures and the use of benchmarking and analytics to assess expenditure. The episode is especially relevant to owners and family offices seeking a more disciplined financial review. Episode.

Buyer application: Request an invoice-level reconciliation against the management agreement. Distinguish management fees, operating expenses, maintenance items, charter credits and supplemental lift; record unresolved allocations separately.

Perspective and limitation: MySky has a commercial interest in aviation financial tools. The public notes do not provide an independently reproducible benchmark dataset or establish a universal “fair” management fee. Ask how any comparison adjusts for aircraft type, utilisation and operating circumstances.

Is there a useful episode on AI-assisted charter procurement?

15. What should buyers hear before trusting AI-generated aviation answers?

Title: Why Aviation Still Needs Humans in the Age of AI
Who: Dan Harris interviews Toby Benenson, founder of SayFlight.
Format and date: Ironbird video podcast; 18 May 2026.
Evidence reviewed: Detailed publisher notes; page includes a YouTube recording.

Key takeaways: Benenson discusses decision-making under pressure, institutional knowledge, automation bias and human accountability. Examples described in the notes involve Aspen operations, weather, crew legality and escalation within dispatch. Episode notes.

Buyer application: When evaluating an AI charter-comparison tool, require source references, explicit unknowns and a named human reviewer. Separate document extraction from approval of prices, contractual obligations and operational feasibility.

Perspective and limitation: This is mainly an operator-workflow discussion involving a technology founder. It is not a demonstrated buyer-side procurement system, an independent accuracy benchmark or evidence that AI can verify live aircraft availability.

What should these recordings change in your next buying decision?

Use them to produce an evidence request, not merely to become more fluent in aviation terminology. The following is the desk’s suggested implementation checklist; it is not a claim that every speaker recommends every field.

For US charter authority questions, use the FAA’s Safe Air Charter resources. For broker-disclosure and charter-consumer questions, consult the Department of Transportation’s charter resources, which link to Part 295, rather than relying on a podcast’s shorthand legal explanation. (faa.gov)

What does this roundup not establish?

The reviewed material does not establish current charter prices, provider solvency, live availability, aircraft-specific suitability or the enforceability of a proposed agreement. We have deliberately not reproduced historical hourly rates, universal ownership break-even thresholds or promotional savings claims as current buying guidance.

Three coverage gaps are particularly important:

1. A worked, redacted charter quote comparison. The pricing discussions provide useful concepts, but this selection does not contain a verified line-by-line exercise comparing multiple live proposals for the same mission.
2. Aircraft-specific baggage and performance testing. The mission-fit episode teaches a selection process; it does not settle questions such as Phenom 300 versus Citation CJ4 baggage suitability or a particular coast-to-coast non-stop mission.
3. Independent recovery and AI benchmarks. The recordings explain operational problems, but do not establish comparative replacement times, contractual recovery outcomes or measured accuracy for buyer-side AI tools.

Bottom line: For a live booking, start with mission, authority and quote comparison. For a renewal, add funds protection and contractual fit. For ownership, add management-cost evidence—and keep operational, legal and insurance decisions with appropriately qualified specialists.

Sources

Recordings and episode evidence

1. AIN first-charter video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l9u1dcAqLI
2. AIN accompanying page: https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/video/flying-privately-chartering-private-jet-first-time
3. FAA workshop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn1ToTaGGkc
4. FAA workshop background: https://medium.com/faa/moving-the-safety-needle-on-illegal-charters-56189d84bdc7
5. Ironbird pricing episode: https://flyironbird.com/private_jet_podcast/the-truth-about-private-jet-pricing
6. Pricing episode runtime: https://podcasts.apple.com/ch/podcast/the-truth-about-private-jet-pricing/id1749614862?i=1000705188303
7. VREF deposit-risk episode: https://vref.com/news/the-500k-loan-disguised-as-a-deposit-episode-58/
8. VREF runtime listing: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-%24500k-loan-disguised-as-a-deposit-ep-58/id1837770450?i=1000791509400
9. Fractional-access episode: https://share.transistor.fm/s/d8a709c5
10. Fractional-access metadata: https://podcasts.apple.com/sg/podcast/own-the-jet-ep-22-before-you-write-that-big-check-for/id1821745921?i=1000760669318
11. NBAA metrics, Part 1: https://nbaa.org/news/flight-plan/podcast-using-standardized-performance-metrics-to-enhance-the-charter-industry-part-1/
12. NBAA metrics, Part 2: https://nbaa.org/news/flight-plan/podcast-using-standardized-performance-metrics-to-enhance-the-charter-industry-part-2/
13. PRMA insurance episode: https://www.buzzsprout.com/1929138/episodes/19503698-samantha-money-on-the-hidden-liability-gap-in-private-aviation
14. Aerpod economics and empty legs: https://theaerpod.com/episode/the-real-cost-of-private-aviation-a-peek-behind-the-curtain
15. Aerpod host information: https://theaerpod.com/about
16. Ironbird maintenance-recovery episode: https://flyironbird.com/private_jet_podcast/who-to-call-when-your-airplane-breaks
17. NBAA winter episode: https://nbaa.org/news/flight-plan/podcast-essential-tips-for-safe-winter-operations/
18. Mission-fit episode: https://share.transistor.fm/s/22528851
19. Mission-fit metadata: https://podcasts.apple.com/sg/podcast/own-the-jet-ep-20-the-airplane-should-work-for-you/id1821745921?i=1000755098786
20. Corporate business-case episode: https://leadershipinlawpodcast.buzzsprout.com/2375350/episodes/19255613-private-aviation-as-a-strategic-business-tool-with-dave-coleman
21. Management-cost episode: https://share.transistor.fm/s/c7f37968
22. Management-cost metadata: https://podcasts.apple.com/sg/podcast/own-the-jet-ep-21-you-performance-manage-everything/id1821745921?i=1000757714857
23. Ironbird AI episode: https://flyironbird.com/private_jet_podcast/why-aviation-still-needs-humans-in-the-age-of-ai

Official references and currency checks

24. FAA Safe Air Charter: https://www.faa.gov/charter
25. NATA operator-list update, 5 May 2026: https://nata.aero/faa-certificated-aircraft-operators-list-now-live-on-safe-air-charter-website/
26. DOT charter resources: https://www.transportation.gov/airconsumer/charters
27. NBAA podcast archive and closure notice: https://nbaa.org/news/flight-plan-podcast/

FAQs

What is a useful first video for someone booking a private jet?

Our introductory pick is the AIN interview with Jennifer English and Jim Segrave, which addresses first-time charter considerations and operating categories. Follow it with the FAA workshop and prepare a written mission brief before requesting quotes.

Which podcast should a family office hear before paying a jet card deposit?

The VREF deposit-risk episode focuses on where prepaid money sits and who controls it. Use it to prepare questions about account arrangements, refunds and counterparties, then have the actual agreement reviewed rather than treating the episode’s loan analogy as a legal conclusion.

Which episode helps compare jet cards, charter and fractional ownership?

Start with Ironbird’s pricing discussion with Doug Gollan, which addresses all three models and contractual pitfalls. Our recommended next step is to test current proposals against actual trips, not select a model from an annual-hours rule alone.

Can these recordings tell me what a private charter will cost today?

No: this roundup does not establish live pricing or availability. Use the pricing episode to formulate questions, then request dated proposals that separately identify known totals, unresolved charges and delivery conditions.

What should I listen to before relying on an empty-leg flight?

The Aerpod discussion with Preston Holland explains repositioning and the difficulty of matching empty legs to customers, beginning around 1:05:32 in the published transcript. For an immovable deadline, our recommendation is to document the fallback and its cost before relying on the opportunity.

How can a procurement team improve its private jet operator checks?

Use the FAA’s Safe Air Charter resources to frame questions about operator authorisation and operational control. Then use NBAA’s metrics discussion to ask what supplier performance claims actually measure.

Which podcast is useful for reviewing aircraft management expenditure?

The Own The Jet episode with Ryan DeMoor discusses operating-cost visibility, management structures and benchmarking. Use it to prepare an invoice-to-contract reconciliation, while requesting the methodology behind any claimed cost benchmark.

Is there a useful podcast about AI in private aviation procurement?

The Ironbird interview with Toby Benenson addresses automation bias, operational judgement and human accountability. It is not a tested procurement product, but it provides useful questions about source evidence, human review and escalation.

Sources

• NBAA Flight Plan Podcast
• Flying Privately: Chartering a Private Jet for the First Time – BJT - YouTube
• LIVE: FAA Safe Air Charter Workshop - YouTube
• Safe Air Charter | Federal Aviation Administration
• The Truth About Private Jet Pricing - Ironbird Partners - Private Aviation Consulting
• Flight Plan Podcast
• Flight Plan Podcast
• Samantha Money on The Hidden Liability Gap in Private Aviation
• Flight Plan Podcast
• NBAA archive
• Flying Privately: Chartering a Private Jet for the First Time – BJT
• Publisher page
• LIVE: FAA Safe Air Charter Workshop
• FAA workshop background
• NATA update
• The Truth About Private Jet Pricing
• podcast listing
• The $500k Loan Disguised as a Deposit | Episode 58
• Own The Jet, Episode 22: “Before you write that big check for the share…” — John Owen
• episode metadata
• The REAL Cost of Private Aviation | A Peek Behind The Curtain
• host identification
• Who To Call When Your Airplane Breaks
• Own The Jet, Episode 20: “The airplane should work for you—not the other way around.” — Jason Spoor
• episode metadata
• Private Aviation as a Strategic Business Tool with Dave Coleman
• Own The Jet, Episode 21: “You performance manage everything except the airplane.” — Ryan DeMoor
• episode metadata
• Why Aviation Still Needs Humans in the Age of AI
• Department of Transportation’s charter resources
• https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-%24500k-loan-disguised-as-a-deposit-ep-58/id1837770450?i=1000791509400